Thats fine on the banjo, I only meant it as a placeholder. Sounds like its only on one side too.
Yes, I was only speaking of the harmony sections.
Lets do a collaboration
That is me on the Harmony on the last verse correct? Maybe it’s my recording set up with the reverb issues? I think that is me, unless you loaded up that of you Larry…and it sounds as if I go flat on the end of that…I had a hard time in my head in keeping from landing on the G when finishng so that is why I went flat off of the B. Dave ends his lead a bit earlier than I do my harmony so we may want to fade my going flat out of there.
Italian guy put up some interesting banjo work there, we keeping it to folks from this site?
It is the addition of too much reverb on the board is all it is I’m pretty sure. It causes the vocals to sound somewhat buries in the mix also.
It’s no fault of yours or larry’'s, it is just the way that mix turned out. i only mentioned it to Larry for future reference. Many times things can sound one way when we are mixing and very different when you hear the result.
mauro only uploaded a whole mix for fun that we can’t pull the banjo out of. We could always ask him for just the banjo track if you wanted to and he might have it and might not. He’s a cool guy I’ve worked on some projects with before.
Got ya Dave on the reverb.
Larry:
If it helps on the harmonizing, transpose the song up to where you want to harmonize at with your voice, play the song on mando or guitar there a few times and sing it…remember it in your head, then sing over the track.
So for instance since we are majoring in “G”, either major out of B or D and do the vocals there. Do it there about 10 times then quickly listen to the track and sing your part…this will get you real close as some notes you will have to either go up or down on not to conflict with the Lead voice and what they done on the melody.
For those reading this, the reason we would either pick B or D is because since we are majoring in G the other 2 notes that make up a G triad (or G chord) are B and D…so by adding these in we are creating a triad with our voice that is supposed to compliment the lead and finish the chord.
That’s my “Singing Harmony 099 class”, I am sure Dave can tell you a lot more. Only thing I did was take Choir for 2 years 25 years ago when I could actually sing and breath a bit before gird (acid re-flux) and middle age killed my vocal chords! About the only person I could harmonize with now would be maybe “Tom Waits” if any of you know who he is!
Oldhat gave an excellent explanation on basic harmony. Capoing up will get you in the correct range and is a good test for whether you can sing a certain harmony part. Good warning that the notes will be different when you go to do the actual part though!
I had to get away from the mixing board for a while and do some pickin’. I get sucked into our project and next thing I know I’m not practicing very much. I’m back for another round now, though.
All three of us are on the last verse, but it’s probably not the reverb that’s catching your ear, Dave. It really felt like I was reaching on my harmony part, so I stuck on a bit of chorus effect on my track only in an attempt to hide my vocal deficiencies. Seems all I did was call attention to them 
I stuck your banjo pretty far to the right side just because we’re starting to fill up the middle. I probably need to re-pan everything now that we have so many tracks.
I appreciate all feedback on the mix. After I listen for a while, I can drill down so far into the details of individual tracks that I lose focus on the overall sound, and sometimes I overlook obvious problems.
So, did you get a new mic, Jesse?
I am picking up the new mic shortly, guy finally contacted me a few minutes ago.
Is this one:
New mic is back home with me, I will at least try and re-do some stuff later tonight…as of right now i am getting ready to fry up a mess of crappie, mac and cheese, and collard greens…yum yum!
Oldhat
The new mic looks nice, Jesse. Looks like a little robot. Hope setup goes smoothly. New hardware is a headache sometimes.
I uploaded a new mix. I stripped away all the signal processing except for compression on our harmony vocals, and moved the banjo back toward the center (just don’t drool on us). Now I’ll get to work on Dave’s vocal tracks.
Nice mic! I came close to buying one before I got the ones I have.
Take a rest Larry, your ears are looking really tired…hehe
I thought I’d take a break, sit on the porch, and play some of the other stuff I’ve been practicing…no go…every time I started something I ended up playing rider, whenever a C came up I went to F, or somehow that melody came creeping into whatever I tried. Guess I’ll be playing rider 'till I get the whole track down suitably…(insert Drool)
Haha, this mic sounds sweeeeeeet! Took me awhile to set everything up but for a YAHOO I have it figured out enough now.
Larry I gotta re-do my parts, sorry brother, but this thing sounds good and is providing that sound I want + it should clean up the track over-all!
So would you have me do it on a “low gain” setting (mid actually) so you can amplify it from there?
Whatever setting I use, it has “tone” written all over it…now you will be able to hear my sloppy singing and guitar playing much better!
My gramma what big ears you have!
I can’t explain how cool this mic is… dude it’s sweet…g lick!
Oldhat
That’s great Jesse. It’s always nice when a new piece of equipment works well.
I uploaded a new intro.
I plan on uploading a new break, and my lead vocal and the harmony. I do not think I need to upload the rhythm guitar at this time.
Larry you are mixing it all, so if I am causing you to much trouble then let me know and only do what you want, or we can only do what you think will make an impact/difference.
I am “stoked” in having something decent to record with now.
Oldhat
Re-record whatever you feel like doing, Jesse. It’s not that big a deal to swap out tracks. It’s amazing the difference a mic can make, isn’t it?
Yes it is a big difference Larry, actually sounds like it’s close to “live” now and what my ear hears.
I still have a lot of work to do on finding a good set-up. When you look at any of the files/tracks that I do that are “new” and if you want to offer up suggestions in what is needed to improve the sound when recording then I am “all ears” in what you have to say. As it is my goal to find the optimal setting to record with. Kind of like the new intro I uploaded…well the lead is a little “muddled” but not a lot…when I go into the strum/rhythm it sounds real to me, more-so than the lead.
I have already uploaded the intro, I will upload the guitar break, my lead vocals on the verse I sing and that should be good enough.
I also fell asleep with Audacity opened up. Gonna try to learn as much as I can there to make simple improvements to stuff (like getting a file to someone with it pretty much ready to roll) and mixing…the more I know the better off i am.
Hate that I got a new mic and wanted to record some new takes…that was one thing I despised about “Corporate America” when I was in it…every day someone was changing something and with all the new versions, updates, etc. you could never get a project completed!
I got your new intro mixed and uploaded. Also smoothed out some of the first verse harmony.
The mic sounds great! Your signal-to-noise ratio is so much better. I know what your guitar sounds like, now.
Learning Audacity or similar software is a good idea, but it is always better for me to have a raw signal for mixing. Any post-recording processing you do, limits what I can do on my end. For instance, if you add a bunch of reverb to your guitar, I’m stuck adding a similar amount to every other track, plus the reverb algorithm will probably be different, but if I get the raw signal I can add the same reverb algorithm to all the tracks in just the right amount.
I really don’t mind swapping out tracks. It’s way more work to record them than mix them. Seems like a project is never really finished, anyway.
— Begin quote from "ldpayton"
Seems like a project is never really finished, anyway.
— End quote
I’m glad I’m not the only one.
If you don’t mind, I might take a stab at a techno remix when the dust settles 
… gonna go check out the updates. I’m looking forward to hearing the new mic.
Larry,
Couple of things:
New mix sounds off on the intro…beat behind maybe.
Hey, in the Lomax recordings you looked through that you mentioned did you ever find “I Know You Rider” in it? They called it “Woman Blue”. I’d be interested in listening to it if you have a link to that song.
It’s coming together great. Nice job.
What I hear in the new mix: Only for feedback purposes:
1st my new intro didn’t add much, thought it would with better quality but to me it didn’t.
Harmonizing on the 1st verse to me really changed the mood of the song. Seems like with only Larry’s singing that was a much better start to the song to set the mood. The harmonizing on the last verse mellows it out like it should and I wouldn’t change a thing , however we may just want to keep it to your singing on the 1st verse Larry. If Ron shows up then he could do the other verse that you did to be included, or someone else could do it from here, if no takers then we can keep it like it is.
I think my crappy mic I started with added that odd sound that made it sound “live” or like we were in a 'jamming" situation where as the new mic may make it all sound “canned”.
Dave’s Banjo is not real prominent on his break…I know you guys discussed this before but it kind of gets “garbled” into the mix.
We need fills…were we planning on Banjo, Mandolin, and Guitar or is it “wide open” on what to add in as far as fills go?
Mike (or anyone that wants to) jump in and add something. Is a project from this forum by its members so don’t be shy!
Oldhat