Larry, sucks that you had comp problems, but look on the bright side - you have a ton of time now to figure out a really cool break that will “woo and Wow” us! - I’d even say you have enough time to perfect the harmonies also!
No pressure man! - No Excuses! 
Oldhat
I’ve been thinking having some extra time is probably a good thing, too, Jesse. I get usually get in a hurry and want to finish a project too fast.
UPS now tells me I’ll have my replacement parts tomorrow instead of Monday, so hopefully I’ll be up and running by Saturday.
doesn’t seem to be any rush…no one has uploaded anything or mentioned they were working on it yet. Have you heard anything form those doing the work on the basic track?
Ozi messaged me and says he’s downloaded the scratch track and he’s working on getting the technical aspects set up. I haven’t heard from ron.
I’ve worked out most of the mandolin part (I figured out how to make a Bb chord and everything). I took the time to tab out the melody on Tabledit for this project, too, and I’m woking on a few variations of it now. I should be ready to record as soon as I get my computer running again.
Larry I’d be interested in hearing your melody line in tabledit! Understanding melody lines better is one of my current efforts in my music learning experience and I would be interested in what your sounds like…share if you don’t mind!
I know my “break” on guitar is not really right, but it was just and idea to show you guys what I was thinking, I will re-vamp it once this project starts taking shape, get it in time and make it stand out a bit. Coming up with the “basis” for a break is always the toughest for me, then once I get a foundation (melody) going then it’s pretty easy to swap out notes here and there.
I think this time around I would love to understand “harmony” a bit better. Part of why I like doing these collaborations is that I learn something new. I think harmony studies are an item I am lacking in and would love for someone to critique the things I might do wrong or right in singing harmony. Fiddlewood if you think you have a solid grasp on proper harmonies then I’d love to get a class on a track I might submit and go over it, maybe even post it up here or in the “theory” thread and talk about harmony singing some.
Oldhat
Here’s how I tabbed the basic melody. It’s for mandolin, but maybe it will be of use to you.
[attachment=0]You Won’t Ever Forget Me - mandolin basic.tef[/attachment]
Doesn’t matter to me that it’s on mando…notes are notes to me, it the “sound” of the melody that I like.
Pretty cool after listening to it. A few months back when I started focusing on melodies I was surprised in how “simple” most were and that most breaks sound cool over adding in “stuff” over melodies. So in my melody “ear training” I always wondered if I was hearing the same melody as most or those that were better at pulling it out. What i have really been working on is the “important notes in a melody” and which ones can be removed and still keep the melody intact. This let’s you create more spaces and add in “cool stuff”.
Thanks Larry!
Oldhat
Anyone else finding it difficult to come out of the Dmin with something interesting over the quick the G7-C-F transition? I’m not much for 3/4 timing and can’t get anything outside of the straight melody to work.
I worked on getting my computer running most of the day Friday. Turns out my old soundcard isn’t compatible with the new motherboard so I had to order a new audio interface. Bad news is I won’t have it for a few days - good news is I’ll be able to stereo mic once it arrives.
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Anyone else finding it difficult to come out of the Dmin with something interesting over the quick the G7-C-F transition? I’m not much for 3/4 timing and can’t get anything outside of the straight melody to work.
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Not much that’s interesting comes from a guitar = yawn
If you have trouble with that one section you could always 'double split the break.
Example:
inst. #1: F, C7, F, F7, Bb, C7, F, F7
insr #2: Bb, C7, F, Dm, G, C7, F, C7
inst. #1: F, C7, F, F7, Bb, C7, F, F7
insr #2: Bb, C7, F, Dm, G, C7, F, C7
This is a fun way to split breaks, kind of like splitting 4s or 8s, and opens up a chance for someone to only play on the half they sound best on. Jim & Jesse did quite a bit of this kind of break splitting.
Jesse,
There are several ways this song could be approached. sliding chord shapes & cross-picking ala Clarence White, TR’s convoluted type of cross-picking: Both work great out of C/F based positions (although I feel Tony’s style lends itself to 4/4 time signature better).
3/4 time also great for throwing in little “double fast” triplet runs…when used tastefully they can really add a lot to a simple lead.
Bending a few strings in a waltz never hurts.
sliding, and non=sliding double-stops can work very nicely particularly in slower songs, and match well with cross=picked positions to get variety of sound out of the same basic hand positions of a break.
Just some more ideas to help get the creative juices flowing.
do you Skype? If so we could mess with it together a bit if you’d be interested.
Fiddlewodd,
Thanks for the info…nope don’t skype but need to learn to one day…that’s a good idea for the the future though.
Others:
I finally got something to go over that transition out of the Dm into the quick G7-C-F. I tried uploading it to Kompoz last night but kept getting a “204” error. I will try again today.
If there is a new guitar track up there then let it be know that I still did not play it with the backing track…however this is going to be pretty close to my exact lead as it matches up to the progression…so I am done with a little lead part…well I will record it again with the track and get rid of any buzzin’ and such, but this is pretty much “it” for my guitar break.
Like Larry I have been having “technical difficulties” but mine is with the headphones…I need to go get a new set - then I will record my part with the track.
Oldhat
EDIT - I finally got it uploaded to Kompoz- 204 error is Something to do with “google chrome” so instead I downloaded the app/Kompoz uploader (interface) to my pc and then uploaded from there and it worked.
http://www.kompoz.com/compose-collaborate/home.track.project?trackId=211049&projectId=33855
Oh and fiddle if you want to upload your lead vocals (without anything else) then that would give me an opportunity to work on harmonizing with them…doesn’t have to be the “final cut” of your vocals but enough to get me in the ball-park.
Hi folks
I slowly seem to be getting around my lack of technical expertise with some encouragement from Larry - this is the first time I have tried to record anything. Finally have got to the point of downloading both audacity and fiddle’s scratch track + larry’s mix track.
Also have now worked out how to play the track and record the bass track at the same time. woohoo!
Couple of questions: 1) When I record the bass track I don’t seem to be able to save it without the backing track as well. Is there a setting in audacity where I can do this? If I set it with overdub off then I don’t get the backing track while I’m recording.
2) If the only possibility is with them both there and I save it as such and post it up can you pull out the bass track by itself to play with for the mix?
3) If you can’t do (2) I assume I work to Larry’s track, correct?
4) Should I save it as WAV or mp3 file for uploading?
5) I noticed fiddle said it needs a walking bass line - if you mean a note for each beat I think this would be overplaying it and making the sound too crowded. As it is a waltz I’m inclined for most of it to be a pedalled note on the 1 beat, with passing notes thrown in. I’m happy to do a couple of different takes then get feedback from you as to what works best (maybe none of it 
)
Would appreciate some guidance from you gurus…
You should be able to keep your bass track separate, but I don’t use audacity and can’t help you on that.
Larry cannot separate what you put together.
You will want to bounce the starting tone/click form Larry’s track to yours - then play along with that base track while recording only your bass - then upload your dry bass track (no effects) back onto the site.
Larry will then download your track to use for mixing with the rest as things are added.
You described the same thing I did for the bass, just different descriptions. I wasn’t sure what you know about triads, passing notes, etc, so I used ‘walking in 3/4 time’ as a way to explain it.
I usually play 1,3,5 to each chord basically, with a few small variations here and there to help with leading notes and keep from hitting the 1 of the coming chord early. My comment was only a suggestion, you are free to play whatever you desire. I tend to throw out many suggestions/ideas and enjoy input from others as well; I wouldn’t ever think of dictating how another played though - personal freedom of expression is of utmost importance in my way of thinking.
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You will want to bounce the starting tone/click form Larry’s track to yours - then play along with that base track while recording only your bass - then upload your dry bass track (no effects) back onto the site.
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Larry, as you use Audacity you may be able to help - how do I do this?
If easier through pm’s go that way, just thought it was time to put up a post with y’all.
Got to go to the cave, will check back later.
http://www.weejaspercaves.com if you are wondering…
I’m just back from Saturay night jam and the only thing wrong with it was that it ended too soon. We had a couple of professional players sitting in tonight… it’s always good to add people who can count to four.
Geoff, I think all you need to do with Audacity is look for a drop down menu at the top of the page. It is probably set to “Record What You Hear” instead of “Record Microphone” or “Record Line-In” (depending on how you are connected). If that doesn’t fix things you can always play the scratch track with another program while you record your bass signal with Audacity.
If you’re a free member at Kompoz (like me) you’ll need to upload your files as an mp3.
Bet the acoustics in Jasper Cave are amazing!
Man, I’m itching to record. Sorry it’s taking so long to get my computer working again. I emailed the supplier this morning to see where my soundcard is, but I’m still waiting for a response. Hopefully it will arrive in the next couple of days.
My computer part shipped today from New Hampshire, so I’m figuring a couple of days at least to reach me. I should be ready to go by Friday at the latest.
Jesse or Ron, are either of you guys working up a rhythm guitar track?
Larry,
I was gonna let Ron work up the guitar rhythm track. If he does not have the time or can’t due to recording issues then I will. I will wait on the base track though if it ends up being that I do it. Or if Mike or someone else wants to do it then that will be fine with me.
Pretty slow around here lately.
Oldhat
I misread the previous track as “bass” instead of “base.” That does make a difference. If you all need it done, let me know. It would likely be the weekend before I could do it. I really think Ron ought to get in on this one. His priorities have been all messed up since he got that new job. Jesse too, now that I think about it. 