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When Does Noodling Become A Song?

OK, this might be a bit weird, but you gotta consider the source.
Lately I’ve been noodling around on my banjo, basically just practicing making chord shapes and moving them up & down the neck. Since I’m not really focusing on anything, I let my fingers find the notes they want while I make the shapes.
As John Hartford said, “I’m doing the best I can with what little I got.”
I’m also trying to get into the habit of recording my practice sessions & noodling.
Today I listened to something I recorded in October 2022. I haven’t heard it since then and certainly haven’t played it. But when I listened, I thought “That sounds pretty.” And I was able to play it again. I discovered I really enjoy playing it, but it’s not a “song.” It has an A part, but I keep goofing around, trying to find the right B part.
How can you tell when noodling becomes a song? It would be great if I had lyrics, but I don’t. I wouldn’t know where to begin writing lyrics, except for nonsense, parody doggerel rhymes.
However, I really like the sound of this mellow little piece. Perhaps I’ll put it on the video swap tomorrow. I know Paul McCartney carried around a little melody for quite some time he simply called “Scrambled Eggs.” Later, it became a song called “Yesterday.” I don’t expect to write a hit song, and I’m not trying to write a hit. But I would like to be able to say “Here’s a song I wrote. This is my song.”
The question remains - When does noodling become a song?

Maybe I should take the advice of John Prine, from a much earlier post by hdmccluskey - Song Writing
“I could never teach a class on songwriting. I’d tell them to goof off and find a good hideout.”

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My 2 cents…

Your question below, the song title/theme! And your struggles to find the answer, the lyrics! Plus, your noodling, the song! :slight_smile:

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Interesting concept.:thinking:
The title might be a little wordy, but it’s a starting point. It might be a good exercise.
Especially the struggle between heart & head. My heart is mellow, but a jumping monkey lives in my head.
Thank you for giving the monkey a toy! It should keep him busy for a while.
Now if I can get that frog in my throat to sing….

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“[Swing 51] came out of just playing; that’s how most of my material is written. I didn’t sit down with a paper and pen and say, ‘I’ll put together a jazz tune.’ Just ideas, different melodies I hear in my head. I sit down with the axe and see if I can put it on there. Sometimes I hear stuff I can’t put on my axe; maybe someday, but I doubt it.” – Tony Rice

“I started being a songwriter pretending I could do it, and it turned out I could.” – James Taylor

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I never realized I had so much in common with The Great One!

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this may answer your query @BanJoe

https://youtube.com/shorts/E3ITLWxntFE?feature=share

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haha. Sure, you can! :+1:

Actually, it does not. If there’s a backing track, it must already be a song. That red-headed stranger may be noodling, but it seems more like jamming.

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