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Looks like a mid 1960s Roy Noble 12 string

Well, I got my Christmas miracle. I love restoring old, beatup and trashed guitars. Today a fellow was picking up a Egmond Tornado that I had restored for a family whose father, the owner of the guitar, had died. And they wanted it restored (it was in pieces filthy, rusted pieces when I received it). They wanted restored to how it would look and play today if their father was still playing it (notice the unusual decal he had applied to the horn). Everything is original with the exception of the saddle as the original was in such poor shape that it could not be saved.


He brought with him a extremely beat up 12 string dreadnought.

The neck heel and neck block are split along with the upper bout. The neck angle had collapsed and someone in the past decided to sand down the bridge to compensate for the bad neck angle. Other than that and the millions of lacquer cracks and the split back (full length) and the split top under the fretboard tongue, and the loose binding and the obvious water damage to the treble side bout, all it needs is a real good cleaning and the pickguard(s) reattached. :+1: It was about to be thrown out by the owner, but I noticed that there was a label on the inside with Roy Noble’s name/label and the number 0075. Label And closer inspection of the rosewood appears like it may be Brazilian. So I am going to carefully restore this herringbone beauty. I’ll post photos occasionally over the next few months or so to document the restoration. I’m in no hurry as this was heading for the trash and I am repairing this gratis. It looks just like this one being played by Doc around the same time period this one was built.

I love my job! :+1: Merry Christmas everyone :christmas_tree::heart::christmas_tree:

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What a find!

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I’ll take it off your hands. @DrGuitar1 Haha!

Maybe after many hours of work. I have a feeling this one is a keeper as the top is frighteningly loud and responsive. At this point I am just trying to repair a laundry list of loose braces, cracks, weak areas, and full length cracks. I probably should have taken the back off and worked from there, but I tend to fault to keeping the instrument as original as possible. Still, it is going to be an interesting instrument and as always a wonderful learning experience. :+1:

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@DrGuitar1 Awesome. Good luck!

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After thinking about that project… 12 string Brazilian… pretty trashed neck and top. I’d be tempted to restore the back and get a new neck, neck block and top setup for 6 string. There is nothing wrong with fixing it up back to original. I am just thinking that could make a monster bluegrass guitar.

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@DrGuitar1 Yea, it sounds like it would make an awesome bluegrass guitar!

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That was my thought as well Mike. And so it is on it’s way to becoming a 6 string with a 1 7/8 nut spacing. I have no problem with the wide spacing being trained on the classical guitar. :wink: I have a set of Sta-tite 97-18s with ebony buttons on their way. I will be using nitro cellulose for finishing the top and neck and repairing some of the sides. The bolt-on neck seems to be very strudy and strong! It is an exciting time.

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Yeah!!! Keep us posted!

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That is super cool @DrGuitar1

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Looks like a lot of fun! Would love to see a video of this when it is finished.
Is the top Adirondack?

I am not an expert on the various spruces. What I have experienced from Adirondack tops is that they tend to be of a wider grain spread and have a bit more “red” in the coloring of the spruce. This top is very tightly grained (~29 to the inch). The top is very thinly planed (.090") and is unusually braced with rosewood tone bars and struts (see pictures). I just finished installing new frets, the Grover Sta-tite 97-18 tuners with ebony buttons and the new bone nut. I will take it apart again and do the finish work in the next few weeks. This is fun!

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Looking EXCELLENT Mike!

That is interesting bracing. The X braces are spruce, but the tone braces aren’t. Neat. I suspect that the top bracing is going to be pretty stout due to it originally being a 12 string. It wouldn’t surprise me if you could open up the tone by further scalloping or thinning the braces since there will be less tension with 6 strings. The good thing is that you can get it all done and playing before worrying about that.

This is really neat, thanks for sharing the journey!

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Regarding the question of adi versus sitka, I was leaning adi, but in the picture way up near the top with the ratchet strap it looks like there is some very nice silking (cross grain figure) which leans it more towards sitka. So I am not sure, but it does look like a very nice top.

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