As the OP I thank you for all these comments. It added a lot more to the subject than I intended or anticipated. My personal takeaway is that bpm by itself may not a very good measure of mandolin proficiency, simply because there can be a big difference in how a tune at 120 bpm is played. I can accompany the British March above because there are plenty of quarter notes in the melody. So I can play at 120 bpm. But Ben’s lesson on a tune like Cherokee Shuffle at his teaching speed (which is less than 120 bpm) I struggle with because it’s mostly non-stop eighth notes (apart from the technical challenges he introduces). So I can’t play at 120 bpm! Does that make sense?
What is the typical bpm for slow, moderate and fast bluegrass tempos?
Exactly. Thank you. And you’re looking to gage the technical difficulty of a piece or the competence of a player (strictly terms of how fast one needs to/is able to play) NOTES per minute is a much better measure.
Have you tried playing along with the TAB Tef Files & TefView - You can slow / speed up the playback tempo to match your skill level. It’s the way I practice before attempting to play along with the mp3 tracks.
I’d also add that Cherokee Shuffle is a tough tune to play even on the banjo.
I do. It’s very helpful. Ben plays many of his intermediate and advanced lessons at about 105 bpm, which for him is probably a moderate teaching tempo. The closest I can ever get on the mandolin is 95 bpm. I just can’t breakthrough that wall.
In that case, it would be 360 bpm! As you strike 6 notes in a measure!
So it is interesting with Irish Washerwoman in 6/8 timing.
120 bpm - if I use Archie’s march to the drum beat.
180 bpm - if I consider a beat to be only down strokes (i.e. down and up together as one.)
60 bpm - if I set it up in metronome for the tempo.
360 bpm - If you count every note like Shaky says (Piano players express the speed like that??).
The time signature is the only thing that defines what a beat is.
Pick direction does not define the beat, but the beat can define pick direction if you choose.
How you set a metronome is purely your personal preference and doesn’t affect the time signature.
Notes per minute Which note? The long ones, short ones, dotted ones, or the ones that are rests?
@Fiddle_wood, so how many beats are there in a 6/8 signature - 3 or 6? Again, it appears if a drummer uses the same song (Irish Washerwoman) in a march past, he might use a 2/4 signature??
All notes! lol. Counting it as 6 notes in the measure from 2 triplets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuMDjNQrdjY
Per this music theory video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxynOZ_vt6U, 3/4 (i.e. in simple time signature) is 3 beats per measure and 6/8 (i.e. in a comound time signature) is 2 beats per measure. By this, the IrishWasherwoman is 120 bpm. So then bpm is not a measure to indicate the speed with which a player has to play an instrument like guitar?? I give up.
Time signatures can seem confusing. Especially when you go outside the box 4/4 or 3/4.
Lets try and simplify this.
Q. What does 4/4 & 3/4 have in common?
A. The number 4 at the bottom of the fraction - Both time signatures employ a Quarter Note to determine a passage of time. i.e. Quarter Note Beats The TOP Number 3 & 4 tells you how many.
Q. What is different between 6/8 and what we have learned from 4/4 & 3/4 above?
A. The number on the bottom. It’s 8 and NOT 4 - That is because it’s a different measurement of time. These are Eighth Note Beats and there are 6 of these in the measure.