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Show us your mandolin

Mreisz,

Sorry, been AWOl for a bit working long hours but wow, it is fairly nice looking mando as well. I might go back and get me an oval hole down the road, they do have a bit more mellow/even tone vs. the F Holes and I wouldn’t mind having one of each myself. I did try both types out and ended up sticking with the F hole.I would call that type of Mahogany “Spalted” I believe is the term? Or a type of Spalted I suppose? I don’t really know either but that is what I think I was told it was closer to. This is most likely the same block of wood my neck is made out of as he didn’t have enough to make the entire instrument with the figured Mohagany. You even went with the gold tuners too, I see?

Hey Brenton,
Me and the mando are getting acquainted. I am loving it. I might raise the action on it a bit to see how it sounds. James had it set up as low as can be (and I appreciate it). On the tuners, they were what James suggested. He said they were a bit better made (cast instead of pressed). He also pointed out that the color matched nicely with the tailpiece. If I remember correctly, it was like a dirt cheap upgrade, so what the heck? Thanks for bringing Jame’s instruments to my attention.
The only spalted wood I am really familiar with is spalted maple. On that it’s a color variation (usually grey or black) due to fungi growth in the living tree. I used some spalted curly maple in some furniture I made years ago. Pretty stuff. Anyway, if my mando is spalted, it doesn’t look like it. It’s just an odd figuring. I guess the closest thing to it that has a description I know may be bird’s eye.
I might have some interesting tone wood for James. I talked to him about a neighbor having the old spars from his Stearman biplane from when he rebuilt the wings. If what I read is correct, it should be sitka spruce. In this case, it is at least many decades old if not from when it was originally made in the 40s. I need to go get a piece and plane it a bit to see what is under the varnish. Hopefully it’s good stuff and of sufficient width to make some tops. I am kind of excited to see what it looks like.

Wow, if you have some old sitka, I might have to have my oval hole made after all (and soon) :wink: I bet (with it aged as it is) that would make for some awesome sounding tops. So yes, do keep me posted on that.

I got to record a bit today. I thought I’d throw a bit of it up here so ya’ll could hear my mando. It doesn’t have a typical bluegrass sound, but I like it. It’s a little more bellsy and ringy. It’s a happy little instrument.
You all can thank me for leaving me trying to cover my wife’s (who’s out of town) vocal part out of the mix I made to upload :smiley:
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Very nice Mike!

The new mando sounds great & sounds more bluegrass than I thought it would from your description. It has a nice sweet articulate tone. Good playing on both the intro & the rythym. I’d love to hear it with the vocals.

Was that recorded with your new mic, Mike. Ha ha. Either way it’s nicely recorded. I’m still working on getting some recording gear together. I tried an interface with my computer & didn’t like it all. The interface was fine. I just didn’t like going through the computer, so I took it back & am now looking for a work station that I can download a mix to the computer. I guess I’m old fashioned & too used to my old 8-track cassette recorder with knobs & slides. The Tascam dp-02 or dp-03 looks like what I may go with. Anyone have thoughts on this before I may make a mistake? Or should I give an interface more time? Also I wouldn’t have to buy monitors for the computer as I’m already set up with my old Tascam cassette through a stereo amp. Anyway I liked your recording & the new mandolin sounds great.

J.W.

Thanks for the compliments JW. Don’t get me wrong, I love the sound of it. To my ear, it doesn’t have that round, deep throaty sound that you often hear in grass. Of course part of that is probably me. I can’t pull tone out of an instrument the way some people can. But with that said, the mando has a sound I really think works well for live and so far, recorded as well. It’s very resonant and you pick up all sort of harmonics.

It was my first time recording it, so I was playing with different things. What you heard on that MP3 was simultaneously recorded with two mics, the (new) Shure SM7 and the MXL 990. I had them fairly closely positioned, about 8 or 10 inches in front of the mando. The SM7 was in front of about the 8th fret, pointed towards the neck joint, the MXL 990 was near the tail end of the mando and below the centerline and pointed back up towards the center of the body. The SM7 didn’t sound as I expected, but it provided a nice sound. I thought it would sound deeper than it did which is why I positioned it higher (to prevent any muddiness). Instead, it provided a lighter sound. I think the SM7 is very sensitive to how close you are to it.

In my opinion, I would suggest giving recording through the computer a bit more time before throwing in the towel. Once you get over the hump of learning your way around, it provides so many convenient, time saving, capability enhancing features. It’s kind of like the difference between digital and film pictures. Digital is not necessarily a better medium, but millions of people get better pictures simply because they can preview them immediately and take a bazillion shots to get one good one. If I were recording on a dedicated physical workstation (like a digital version of what I used to do on my Fostex), the results would be much diminished. Not because I couldn’t do the same thing on it, but because the software interface makes things so much easier, I can accomplish much more in much less time. That applies to every aspect of the process, including recording, mixing and mastering. I wish you could visit one of us that use them. In less than an hour, I think you’d be convinced (and over the hump). If you give it another shot, I would be happy to help get you going with it.

On a related note, I am going to get “more better” DAW software. I am bumping up up against the limitations of my free version of Ableton software a bit too often. I can work around it by ping ponging tracks and using effects loops, but it doesn’t make much sense to keep wasting my time when I could get past that with a fairly modest amount of cash. Pro Tools is widely held in great regard. I might go down that road. But before I do that, I am going to try out Reaper (http://www.reaper.fm/). I have read about it and seen some reviews, and I think it might be a great fit. In addition, their pricing is incredible. For the fully functional package it’s only $60 for a home user like myself. The software is the same as what is sold to commercial studios for several times more. They have a 60 day test drive for free, and I am going to do that. Once I try it, I’ll post a review on the forum.

Thanks Mike for all the help. I probably should have kept the interface a little longer. It was the Audiobox Presonus with two xlr inputs (the smallest one they make) & I believe it had the protools or prostudio software.

What I didn’t like, was to record a second track like a lead over a rythym track, I had to unplug my mic & plug it into the second xlr input to use another track. Then if I wanted to do a mandolin break I couldn’t get it to record any more tracks. I’m sure there’s a way around this that I don’t see, but with my cassette portastudio, I could record track over track over track with no problem & never having to plug my mic into another jack.

Also, my wife wasn’t too happy about all the cords, recording gear, mics, mandolin, guitar, banjo, upright bass, 400 watt fender amp, 32 piece drum set & 100 piece orchestra sitting on the desk (it’s a really big desk) when she wanted to balance the checkbook. OK, maybe it was just a mandolin & guitar, but I’m sure there’s a way to work around this.

So, for now I think I’ll do some more research & try to learn more before I buy anything. I really do appreciate your help. Let us know what you thing of the new DAW program. By the way if you haven’t already, check out Sweetwater Music. It’s an incredible store for recording gear & mic’s & such. I had work in Ft. Wayne, Indiana last week, so I stopped in & was in awe. Most of their sales is internet, but the walk in store is amazing. They have one room strictly dedicated to mics alone, a professional recording studio & even an in house restaraunt. I wish I had the time to stay longer. Thanks again…

J.W.

That’s interesting. I haven’t used one of the free versions of Pro Tools or any version of ProStudio, but on every DAW I have seen (which isn’t by any means exhaustive) you can configure the input on any track (which would eliminate having to switch inputs). In addition, you can typically add tracks beyond two. My Ableton Lite (that was free with my computer audio interface) is limited to 8 tracks. They are stereo tracks, so getting a little creative, one can sort of have 16 tracks and you can always ping pong them down to free up tracks. Reaper has essentially unlimited tracks and plug ins available. I look forward to giving it a try. My Ableton is limited to 6 plug in effects in use at a time, and once you start EQing things, you have to get creative pretty quick. I’ll make a new thread when I do try it out.

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Also, my wife wasn’t too happy about all the cords, recording gear, mics, mandolin, guitar, banjo, upright bass, 400 watt fender amp, 32 piece drum set & 100 piece orchestra sitting on the desk (it’s a really big desk) when she wanted to balance the checkbook. OK, maybe it was just a mandolin & guitar, but I’m sure there’s a way to work around this.

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The solution to your problem is obvious, JW - you need a purpose-dedicated room. Very simple to achieve, a large cupboard will actually do. Remove shelves, instal a small desk and your wife will have somewhere to balance the checkbook :mrgreen:
Of course then you may have to buy a doghouse…

Now there’s a thought. I’ve been thinking about this all wrong. Did this advice come from experience?

Anyone have a used dog house for sale, big enough for me & an old Martin?

It’s not a great shot of the instrument, but there it is on the left, at my first ever paying gig. I’m primarily a guitar player, but when we added a 4th member (bass/fiddler got cut out of this shot) it was getting hard to find space for a 3rd guitar, which is why I decided to pick up the mandolin for a little variety. I’m hooked and wish I started on it sooner! It’s a Loar VS220. When I get next years tax refund I’m getting me a Collings MT.

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Excellent! I agree with the Collings MT thoughts. That would likely be my next mando as well. I have to say, the Red Valley is treating me real well, so it might be a while before I get the desire for something different.

I go back and forth on the sound of the Loar. It has a K&K internal pickup in it, and electrified it sounds pretty good. Unplugged, my ears are getting better and I’m hearing too much tin in it. I want wood.

Anyhow, nice guitar. Pink! I’m not sure my cojones are big enough to show up at some of the places we play with one of those (often local VFWs). :wink: But what I’m still trying to figure out is where you are sitting. It almost looks like the cockpit of a small plane.

You are correct, that is a glider cockpit (with my mom in the seat behind me). To make a long story longer… When I first got on the forum, I used to change my avatar picture around from time to time. In the jokes section, there was a spoof magazine posted that had a Hello Kitty guitar on the cover. I posted that I really wanted to get one of those for my wife. Someone else posted that I just claimed it was for my wife, and I in fact wanted it for me. Then Larry (ldpayton) picked up my avatar pic and graphically inserted the lovely pink dreadnought you see. So unfortunately it’s only a virtual guitar that I have in the cockpit of the glider. I have kept the avatar picture ever since. I do wish I had a Hello Kitty dread… my wife would love it. Plus, it would be fun to show up at a picking circle with one. :smiley:

I’m working on putting a concertina in your wife’s hands.

Haha! Mom’s hands are pretty ideally positioned for that.

I think it should be a black concertina. With a death metal logo on it. Just for balance.

I’m still poking around these forums, I just noticed they had one just for pilots. Who knew. And a fishing one. Very cool. I’ve fished Rock Creek in Montana. Loved it. I probably need to forget all this though, it’s hard enough getting any work done as it is!

Like I always say, “It’s not really death metal without a concertina in the band.”

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I probably need to forget all this though, it’s hard enough getting any work done as it is!

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Lot’s of distractions around here, for sure, but just learning how to flatpick takes most of my free time these days.

Rock Creek is a mighty pretty place to fish, though, especially in July.

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I think it should be a black concertina. With a death metal logo on it. Just for balance.

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I like it! It would definitely help balance out the happy-goodness of the HK dreadnought. Maybe we could put an instrument cable running from the concertina to a pint sized Marshall half stack sitting on the wing?

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Like I always say, “It’s not really death metal without a concertina in the band.”

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That’s true… I probably can’t count how many times I have heard you say that.