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Rich Well - Jamming to a Very Fast Song

Rich Well raised this topic over on the Banjo Hangout - Jamming to a Very Fast Song - I’d like to hear your thoughts on this @BanjoBen

"As the day we can jam together in person gets closer, I have a question about a situation other intermediate jammers undoubtedly have encountered, too. You’re at a jam. You’re doing well on slow and moderate tempo songs — both backup and lead — but on really fast songs, all you can do is vamp. To do more, you need a strategy. You’ve already stripped out all the ornamentation, but your right hand still can’t keep up. Is there a right-hand pattern that may not be especially interesting, but is streamlined and limits finger movement enough to allow you to play faster for a brief stretch? (Maybe because it keeps the thumb on the 5th string, or uses several quarter notes.) Are there other solutions?

On his DVD set, John Hartford talks about eliminating what he calls “ghost notes” (notes other instruments will play) in order to play faster. That’s somewhat along the same lines: finding a way to play simpler in order to play faster. (But I’ve never figured out what notes Hartford eliminates.)

If others have faced and solved this problem, I’d love to hear how they did it. I’m not talking about increasing your speed for everything you play. (I’m not a big fan of playing extremely fast.) This is for emergencies. Simplification strategies to keep up on an occasional jam song that allows you to do something more than vamp."

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I was getting ready to ask what notes are eliminated then read further along. I look forward to @BanjoBen’s response. I’m sure it will be over my head!
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I’m sorry, and this may not be what you want to hear, but I do not take a reduced approach to my right hand when the song is fast…I just play them all faster :wink: Of course there are certain licks and moves that I won’t try super fast, and I have certain licks that I know I can play faster, and that’s how I will adjust my picking.

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John Hartford also said “Your style is based on your limitations.”
My style is excellent, but slow.:sunglasses:

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For really fast banjo jamming, if keeping up becomes an issue, I generally revert to rolls & patterns you might categorize as “Foggy Mountain” rolls which can be played over most fast bluegrass. (around 160-bpm). Add tricks if you’re comfortable.

The best I remember of John H’s playing when we jammed backstage many years ago is that he didn’t so much “leave notes out” just anywhere to attain speed. I recall he could play very fast & clean, but he would “breath” when he played…he used rests (he weren’t scared of them :wink:) to set himself up for statements (phrases) he could rip through at high speeds.

I was pretty amazed at what he could pull off on a 5 string in a full-on bluegrass jam full of great pickers.

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I agree with what @BanjoBen said above. When I learn a lick or song I practice it until the whole thing is comfortable at the maximum speed I think I’ll have to play it. If I ever need to play it faster… then it’ll sound sloppy :grimacing:

But I’d learn a good selection of licks that can be used to improvise at faster tempos.

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