That’s excellent!
Beta testers needed / Play with my app! It's fun!
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I tried it out with four devices, including an Amazon Fire tablet, and it worked great! To attempt real-world stupidity, I hit the re-sync button when the jam follower was correctly synced. On the Ipad and Fire tablet, the follower jumped ahead and subsequent re-sync tries did not correct it. Leaving and reentering did get back in sync. That issue did not occur with my Android cell phone. That seems like a minor issue, I don’t have anything but positive feedback. Great job!
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Man! That is exactly the kind of report coders pray for. The release got so close to the bulls eye that an “attempt at real-world stupidity” was the only thing found wrong. Excellent!
And your test bed couldn’t be better. It gave me some insight that I didn’t have before, and I think even the problem you found might now be resolved. I’ve published the fix, so refresh your browsers and give it another try. I just hit re-sync dozens of times on my devices and they all stayed right on the beat.
This could very well be my favorite feature in the app, if for no other reason than I never thought it would be possible.
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- % of the initial purchase
- Free time in the app
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I’ve been thinking about creating an affiliate program to reward folks for spreading the word. I can think of 2 options for rewards. Basically, you’d share an affiliate link, then you’d either:
1 - Get a percentage (to be determined) of the initial purchase, or
2 - Get time added to your own account
Now, I’ve already suggested that some of you will be getting life time access to the app for helping me test it and making some of the amazing suggestions that have made the app what it is today. So if you think you’re one of those people, try to think of the poll in terms of what you’d want if you were subscribing to the app.
I feel like we’re getting close to launch, so I have to start thinking about these things.
I voted but then I thought a little more. Do you want to really have to issue money to affiliates? That seems complex.
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Are you familiar with 'The Pour Over?" It’s a thrice weekly Christ centered news brief. They have a
Rewards Program where you share a provided link to friends. When folks sign up, you get credit. Example: 3 shares you get a sticker, 6 shares a coffee cup ,10 shares a t-shirt , etc. Anyway, just an idea.
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There’s actually a service I can pay for that handles all of that. It’s $49 a month and they handle money distribution, taxes, and anything I would likely not even know about.
Oof! That sounds like a lot of work. I’m not sure I have the time to be shipping a bunch of rewards. I’m hoping I can find less laborious means of motivating people. 
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I think it kind of depends on the main business model. If you anticipate many “one time” sales, then a chunk off the price makes more sense. If you anticipate mainly selling as a service, then app or calendar time makes more sense.
For what it’s worth I am not a fan of the increasing tendency towards software as a service. I am a fan of the (old, fuddy duddy) software as a purchase model. Yes… I am still using
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I hear and agree with you. The problem with that is that I’m going to have several monthly recurring costs going forward. I have to pay for the web site, the database, the email box, the payment system, the affiliate program… the features Jam Trainer has now have painted me into a corner. If sales ever decrease, I’m basically left holding the bag. If it were still just a band in a box, I might be able to make it work by just converting it to an app, but people seem really interested in the Jam Session aspect. That’s what locks me in.
I’ve been kicking around the idea of making it a 1 time purchase lifetime subscription for a short time to build interest. I haven’t decided yet.
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I totally get it. I wholly support whatever you decide.
I got distracted and didn’t finish my sentence above. I am still using Word 2000 copyrighted 1999 
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I salute you, sir! 
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I tested it again after your fix and the issue is resolved. Worked properly on all the devices.
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@Mark_Rocka Check PayPal it’s free to use for ordinary users not sure about business end. I have been using PayPal for over 20 years. No issues.
PayPal is actually more expensive than many other online offerings for businesses, and they don’t handle recurring payments very well.
I haven’t had a chance to play with this till now, & while ive read most of the comments here, I’ve a question - may have missed an obvious answer/solution, so apologies in advance if thats the case… 
1st, this looks to be an amazing product! Your development & forum member testing/input has been awesome & I wish you tons of success & happy users with it!
Question:
When I go to a jam, I rely on a printed lyrics sheet with the chords. For whatever reason, I just can’t remember the lyrics AND the chords if im singing & playing a tune 
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Annnnddd… I have the big clunky songbook to go along with that habit that I drag along with me wherever I go… Yall who still use paper lyrics know all about that haha!
I saw the Jam Trainer has a lyrics section!
Is there a way to have lyrics w chords (above the lyrics) scroll up instead of the standard chord chart? Like a block of lyrics at a time not 1 liners. If so, can the speed of the scroll be adjusted, and/or paused while folks take breaks? Would it have capabilities for choices of nns, abc, transpose etc like the charts do? Again, I may have missed something quite obvious… and perhaps this aspect or feature is just not feasible for most folks, which I totally get 
Hey Simone! Been missing you at camp. You coming back soon?
Let me address each one of these questions.
I’ve thought about this. It’s a great ask. The problem comes from the legal side. Notice I haven’t included any lyrics in the app. It’s something the user has to manage. There’s no copyright on the chord progression of a song. That changes when you start talking about lyrics or specific tab. I already wonder if I’m in the legal gray zone with Tab View, but for now, as long as it’s the users putting the tab there and not me, I think I’m fine. Maybe I should create a Lyrics view like tab view, and just leave it up to the users to manage it. I guess it’s the same idea as Tab View. I really need to talk to an attorney about it.
I’ll have to put some thought in to this one. The pause aspect might be a good use for the foot pedal controls I built in. What do you think about using a foot pedal?
I’ll REALLY have to think about this one. In the charts, transposing or converting to NNS is pretty easy because the chords are all assigned by the user, so they’re built into the app. The app knows exactly what to do with them because the app put them there. I’m imagining (perhaps incorrectly) that people want to just copy and paste their existing lyrics with chords into the app and it just work. I don’t know how intelligent I can make the app, but it’s worth investigating.
I can see how this would be hugely beneficial for a lot of users. I need to give it a lot of thought… and probably some attorney time.
Thanks!
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Not since the Wordle thread has a topic generated so much response. That’s a pretty good indicator.
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I’ve been thrilled with the responses I’ve been getting here. You guys have really helped shape JT into what it is today.
I like to keep it real, though. Probably half of the replies in this thread are me. 
I did a little digging with AI and I think it gave me some good advice. Of course, I still want to talk to a copyright attorney about these recommendations, but here’s how AI says I can cover myself:
"The thing that actually protects a platform hosting user content is the DMCA Section 512© safe harbor . This is the legal structure YouTube, Reddit, and every UGC site relies on. It’s not automatic — you have to qualify by doing specific things:
- Designate and register a DMCA agent with the Copyright Office (there’s a small fee and an online registration).
- Implement notice-and-takedown: a way for rights holders to report infringing content and a process to remove it expeditiously.
- Have no “actual knowledge” or “red flag” awareness of specific infringement that you ignore.
- Not receive a financial benefit “directly attributable” to infringing activity you have the right to control.
- Adopt and reasonably implement a repeat-infringer termination policy."
This all sounds reasonable to me, and if I make sure to strip out the user’s ability to share lyrics and tabs in the first place, it sounds like it will further limit my exposure to the big music machine.
I think I’m going to get to work on this today. This seems way more usable than the mando tab stuff I had planned for the day. Sorry mando pickers. Simone wins.
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Awww, 
, would love to return some day, not sure when that’s possible…
Yup, & totally understand that, and i would think most folks would be happy to manage their own lyrics & versions etc.
And to that end, (user managed part), to see how it would look, I just took one of the songs thats already in there, that I do, (redwood hill), and added my lyrics & chords by copy/paste editing them in there, and it successfully saved it exactly as I like it. So that would actually be usable in a jam setting in favor of ditching the song book, & storing it on the app. But… as the lyrics screen is a sub section of the main screen, as opposed to being the main feature display, as in the “jam view,” it would likely be cumbersome/hard to read in real time, at a jam, esp on smaller screens.
Another “but…” as pertains to using lyrics feature at a jam:
I entered the RWH lyrics/chords on the computer, they look okay over there, not great due to smaller size, & in the format i entered them (lyrics w chords in the correct spot on line above them).
After going back into the app on android phone, YAY! the RWH song i saved as “my” version was indeed available on the different device, complete w lyrics/chords.
However, the screen size & format of the phone caused the lyrics and chords above them to not follow the same format, making that copy unusable on that device. which is kinda expected because of what it is. Not sure how to go around that bc alot of my lyrics for my older songs are already on the desktop computer which is exactly where id copy them from, but I would obviously not be taking that item to a jam
At a jam i wouldn’t want music playing, but text scrolling “lyrics view” would be great, even if it was left as “user managed”
At home for practice, someone might want both music playing & text of lyric/chords visible (from the lyrics section, not the chord chart part). As it is now, the lyrics inputted by user are not visible at all when the music is playing, as far as I can tell.
I dont personally use/have one. I dont really use tech like that at all. Im the gal with a big messy songbook with pages falling out looking like I walked into a present day jam from the past, lol.
As for scroll and adj speeds - I’d actually be fine with a quick space bar type screen tap or swipe toggle that pages up or down. Ive seen some folks out & about with progs that do the scroll thing. I do not currently own or use any such software.
Would the songs users enter (chords and or lyrics) and canned songs they change & save to their “own” library that are limited to the account they were created on create infringements? Definitely a question for legal folks. — ahhh, I see youve already replied on this topic in the lengthy amt of time & attempts its taken me to write all my jibberish, haha!
I would think most users would be good w that.
Let’s not forget “Simone” is also a mando picker, so it can’t be that bad, right?
Looking for a friend 
haha
And now that my reply thought topics are completely out of order, (ive been interrupted several times…) im going to finally post this bc you’ll know what I mean as u read it 
Awww heck, ill just add on (again) this time w pics:
Pic above is desktop where things are located as intended plus it has the ability to enlarge the viewing area of the lyrics section.
Pic above is android screenshot showing the jumble of lyrics/chords/format that occurs switching to diff and smaller devices. And no way to enlarge the lyrics viewing area that I could tell on phone screen. Hopefully this helps explain what im trying to say…
Yall can tell me to be quiet any time now